tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post8712077648836543540..comments2024-03-26T11:08:24.729-04:00Comments on foul bunt: My 2011 Hall of Fame BallotWilliam Regenthalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06802296646537948234noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-5636867788075851522011-01-05T19:00:33.984-05:002011-01-05T19:00:33.984-05:00Chris, again, nice comment, but I believe we are j...Chris, again, nice comment, but I believe we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this because I don't believe at all that Bagwell did steroids. Yeah, I don't have proof that he didn't, but you don't have any proof that he did. Given your logic, then no one from that era gets in. Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey, Jr. None of them have made their medical records public. Maddux may not have looked like an 'action figure' but neither did Rafael Palmeiro. Former players, coaches, reporters have all gone on record saying Palmeiro looked more pudgy than bulky as most steroid users do. Bagwell was obviously tested (joke system or not) and was never reported, so given that data, we have to believe he was clean. If he was using Hgh, then shame on baseball for not rtesting for it. We, as fans, are the losers in all of this, no one can escape the cloud of suspicion, which is sad. In the end, Bagwell gets in. We all know it. Do you feel that Gaylord Perry is a hall of famer? He ha sgone on record saying that he cheated. It was a different form of cheating, but cheating nonetheless. What about players who have Tommy John surgery? It extended their careers. Lasik eye surgery? When and where does it stop?William Regenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06802296646537948234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-5629112453654006992011-01-05T18:21:15.566-05:002011-01-05T18:21:15.566-05:00Hey William, great retort, but I have to disagree....Hey William, great retort, but I have to disagree. <br /><br />I get the no proof logic, really I do, in a court of law, but this is public opinion. And no proof is a cop out. Any one who looked like an action figure was on something. Its just that plain and simple, because its not natural to swell up or bulk out, you have to be digesting or taking something that makes the body bigger. There is over fifty years of baseball history and no other players swelled up or bulked out except the steroid guys. To think players in the sixties and seventies never lifted weights is silly.<br /><br />Also saying there was no proof isn't enough, because there was no testing then. Heck the testing today is a joke, they usually let players know when it is and only collect urine. So that logic is flawed. He should prove he wasn't on anything. To many players were doing it to think anyone who could make millions of dollars and did make millions of dollars didn't do something to give them an edge. If its important to him, I know it would be to me, I would do everything I could to prove that I was clean. He should release his medical records, especially blood tests during his career and not selected ones, everything during that time. Then you have proof, proof he was clean, again this is public opinion not the court of law. I have a physical every year and could easily provide such a thing. I am sure players have at least a physical and the fact they don't release the information, shows their guilt to me. <br /><br />Also steroids destroy bodies, and his body got destroyed. That's cause and effect and more than enough proof for me.chris OKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858562202706780046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-39450310678105554502011-01-05T08:22:20.137-05:002011-01-05T08:22:20.137-05:00I'm glad you enjoyed the post, Chris, however,...I'm glad you enjoyed the post, Chris, however, since Bagwell was never implicated in the Mitchell report or tested positive, you can't penalize him the same way you could for Palmeiro. Sure, there are whispers, but there are whispers about any player. I could whisper about Babe Ruth, but you and I know that he didn't use steroids. Point is, Bagwell will be held back because of the era he played in and the fact that his arthritic shoulder kept him out of the gym. I've heard plenty of former Astros personnel back bagwell in that he didn't use, and given that he was never on the report or suspended, then that works for me.William Regenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06802296646537948234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-20438651252233135662011-01-04T23:46:57.746-05:002011-01-04T23:46:57.746-05:00Some more great stuff, I agree with all your picks...Some more great stuff, I agree with all your picks except Palmerio and Bagwell (commented on Palmerio page). You made me a Parker and Morris advocate and feel Larkin and Trammel also deserve it. I'm still on the fence about Mattingly and Murphy but wouldn't be upset if they got in too.chris OKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858562202706780046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-2372393072937653692011-01-04T19:55:44.898-05:002011-01-04T19:55:44.898-05:00Great stuff dude, and yeah I agree on Parker, sure...Great stuff dude, and yeah I agree on Parker, sure he used a lot of cocaine but he was a great player. If Hamilton keeps up his career, and he gets in the Hall of Fame, then Parker definitely deserves it too. I also think had Mattingly stayed with the Yankees for a few more years without the back problems he would be considered a Hall of Famer. He was one of the most popular and better hitters of the 80's, so I think he deserves a little bit of a chance.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224880509770382577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-1774390144822597392011-01-04T17:47:44.947-05:002011-01-04T17:47:44.947-05:00rMore importantly than the lack of swagger conside...rMore importantly than the lack of swagger consider this - what fun would it be if all of the border line or controversial guys got into the HOF? There would be nothing for the fans to debate about.PABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07704797848114563082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-60545649473870029122011-01-04T16:33:03.334-05:002011-01-04T16:33:03.334-05:00Love the comment, P.A. That's why I did the p...Love the comment, P.A. That's why I did the post, to incite friendly debate amongst ourselves.William Regenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06802296646537948234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7240193375654745928.post-89589165593024553572011-01-04T16:23:05.246-05:002011-01-04T16:23:05.246-05:00There is no comparison between Blyleven and other ...There is no comparison between Blyleven and other HOF pitchers because Blyleven is not a HOF pitcher. He is simply a good pitcher who became a HOF candidate because the fine folk at ESPN needed to fill the void created when Jim Rice got into the Hall. When it comes down to it Blyleven lacks the swagger to be called a HOFer. <br /><br />If I had a big game to win in the 1980’s I’d take Doc Gooden, Roger Clemens, Nolan Ryan, Brett Saberhagen, Dave Stewart, Steve Carlton, Fernando Valenzuela, Orel Hershiser, Dave Steib, and even Jack Morris over Blyleven.<br /><br />If I had a big game to win in the 1970’s I’d take: Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Jim Palmer, J.R. Richard, Phil Niekro (pre-knuckle ball), Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Steve Carlton, and even Mike Cuellar over Blyleven. <br /><br />An even bigger case against the Blyleven swagger is the Twins (the team he’s most associated with) haven’t even retired his number! <br /><br />Stats and longevity alone don’t make you a HOF, it’s that swagger and sheer awesomeness that only the top 1% of all ball players have.PABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07704797848114563082noreply@blogger.com